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New Seahorse "sick" - 2005/11/03 12:01 Good day all,

I am extremely concerned about 1 of my sunfires that arrived yesterday.

He has a patch of white stuff growing on the top of his head. He is trying to itch his tail on the live rock, and his tail seems to be sliming. All three other horses seem fine. I need some help, this little guy is miserable. Can someone help me quickly please?



I'll be watching the website.

Thanks!
Nick

ps, should I try to remove this growth with my fingers?
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Re:New Seahorse "sick" - 2005/11/03 12:07 are you sure its not just natural coloration? What about heaters? they can burn and cause white scars which then the skin flakes away and look like "growths" it is fuzzy, flacky? How are your water parameters? I know ammonia can cause them to itch, and if they've had a long trip, he might be itcing from ammonia irritation from the bag....Just my thoughts, but I'm a beginner too, so definately wait for the experts...
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Re:New Seahorse "sick" - 2005/11/03 12:19 Hi,

My water parimeters are perfect. It' is a little fuzzy looking. I've been reading thru some of the other postings, and it is beginning to sound like "ich". I don't understand why it is just showing it's ugly face though. I do have a canary goby, 2 pipefish, and a courtgester goby. No one has been bothered by ich for at least 2-3 months. It doesn't seem to be effecting the other 3 horses. But boy he is def miserable. I feel sooo bad! I'm going to try to get out of the house, and go buy some "kick ich". Thanks for the input. I'm going to keep an eye on this all day for more feedback. I just can't stand walking by him and not doing anything.

Have a great day
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Re:New Seahorse "sick" - 2005/11/03 13:12 Hi Sseagazer,

Sorry to hear about your new Sunfire.

Did you notice anything on his head yesterday?

It does not sound like ich. Ich manifests quite differently in seahorses and is not fuzzy. There is something else going on. It could be a bacterial or fungal infection or a combo of both. Please sit tight and I am sure Pete will respond soon. Don't waste your time or money on kick ick as it will not help this and it will just complicate matters as other medications are indicated.

In the mean time please provide the following information.....

Current water parameters in numeric values not descriptions like fine or OK including temp, specific gravity, Ammonia, Nitrites, Nitrites and pH

Tank size
Tankmates
Other seahorses.... WC or CB

Can you get a magnifying glass out and get a good close look at his head and this white area. Is it actually fuzzy or is the skin peeling or flaking?

How big is the area?

Do you see any pink or red areas?

Is the white area smooth and even with the rest of the skin? Raised or elevated? Or sunken in?

Can you possibly post a photo?

Hang in there.....

Leslie
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Re:New Seahorse "sick" - 2005/11/03 13:18 Working on it now. Will advise soon!

Thank you!
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Re:New Seahorse "sick" - 2005/11/03 13:52 Dear Nick.

Excess mucus production and scratching can be an indication of irritation from exposure to high ammonia levels, which can happen during long-distance shipping, are they can be a sign of external parasites.

For starters, I would suggest treating the irritated SunFire with methylene blue, which is effective against protozoan parasites and fungus, and is the treatment of choice for ammonia poisoning and nitrite toxicity.

Commonly known as "meth blue" or simply "blue," this is a wonderful medication for reversing the toxic effects of ammonia and nitrite poisoning (commonly known as "new tank syndrome"). Methylene blue also transports oxygen and aids breathing. It facilitates oxygen transport, helping fish breathe more easily by converting methemoglobin to hemoglobin -- the normal oxygen carrying component of fish blood, thus allowing more oxygen to be carried through the bloodstream. This makes it very useful for treating gill infections, low oxygen levels, or anytime your seahorses are breathing rapidly and experiencing respiratory distress. It is the drug of choice for treating hypoxic emergencies of any kind with your fish.

In addition, methylene blue treats fungus and some bacteria and protozoans. Methylene blue is effective in preventing fungal infections, and it has antiprotozoal and antibacterial properties as well, by virtue of its ability to bind with cytoplasmic structures within the cell and interfere with oxidation-reduction processes. However, be aware that it is not safe to combine methylene blue with some antibiotics, so check your medication labels closely for any possible problems before doing so.

Methylene blue will destroy nitrifying bacteria so it should only be used in a hospital tank (if used in an established aquarium, it will impair the biological filtration and the tank may need to be cycled all over again).

If you can obtain the Kordon brand of Methylene Blue (available at most well-stocked local fish stores), their suggested treatment protocol for nitrite poisoning is as follows:

As an aid in reversal of nitrite (NO2-) or cyanide (CN-) poisoning of marine and freshwater aquarium fishes:
(a) Remove carbon filter and continue to operate with mechanical filter media throughout the treatment period.
(b) Add 1 teaspoon of 2.303% Methylene Blue per 10 gallons of water. This produces a concentration of 3 ppm. Continue the treatment for 3 to 5 days.
(c) Make a water change as noted and replace the filter carbon at the conclusion of the treatment.

See the following link for more information on treating with Kordon's Methylene Blue:

Click here: KPD-28 Methylene Blue
http://www.novalek.com/kpd28.htm

I would like to see how your SunFire response to the methylene blue before we resort to any more aggressive treatments, Nick. Let's see if the methylene blue eases his irritation and puts an end to that scratching, and see how the white stuff on the top of his head responds to the methylene blue. If the fuzzy white patch is not just excess mucus sloughing off, and/or the scratching persists, then it would be appropriate to progress to formalin baths combined with antibiotic therapy.

Best of luck with your new seahorses, Nick!

Respectfully,
Pete Giwojna
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