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CLEAN UP CREW! - 2005/10/26 21:14 Ok Ive decided to invest in a fairly large cleanup crew. I dont want any thing that might harm babby erectus seahorses because I am expecting then, and I would hate to have any of them be eaten before I could get them into the nursery tank. I also dont want anything that will eat my copepodsas they have suffered a great loss in population recently after I cleaned off all of my hair algea, and I dont want any thing that will eat the surviving ones.

I was thinking lettuce nudibrancs. and a few snails.

How manny nudibranchs can my 29 gallon hair algea factory sustain? How many will it take to controll the algea. I was also thinking of nassurus snails. Will they eat my pods though? I read that they are carnivores. What about a small pepperment shrimp? would they eat my baby SH's? or my pods? What about a Blue linka starfish? I know that starfish are not usually seahorse safe, and I have learned that with a brittle star and a clown fish, but what about linka's are they different than brittles? is there any thing else that would help? ANy help is greatly aprreciated
Thanks in advance
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Re:CLEAN UP CREW! - 2005/10/27 23:59 any one
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Re:CLEAN UP CREW! - 2005/10/28 11:28 Hi Shortie,

This is what I use and recommend.....

1 to 2/gal total of the following hermits mix and match for variety:
Scarlet Reef (Paguristes cadenati)
Left Handed (Caleinus laevimanus)
Blue Legged (Clibanarius tricolor)
Mexican (Clibanarius digueti)
and.......

1 to 2 /gal total of the following snails mix and match for variety:
Asteras (Astera sp)
Ceriths (Cerithium strercusmuscarum)
Nerites (Nerita funiculate)
and........

Nassarius snails(Nassarius variegates) a minimum of 1.5/gal. These little buggers are the cutest and boy O boy can they clean up the leftovers as well as what the horses have already used...if you know what I mean. You won't even know they are in the tank till you drop in that first piece of mysis and then all of a sudden all these little antenna start to emerge from the sand everywhere.....they are a must IMO.

A Linka star should be fine but are very sensitive to water params and have to be drip acclimated over several hours.

A lettuce Nudi is also fine but there are apparently several species and they have very specialized diets. Once they consume your algae they will die of starvation, and should be given to someone else. Let me tell you they can eat alot. I had one come into my tank as a hitch hiker and it flattened a gorgeous piece of Maiden's Hair in less than a week.

HTH,

Leslie
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Re:CLEAN UP CREW! - 2005/10/28 11:58 Dear Shorty:

Okay, if you are looking for sanitation engineers that won't pose any risk to your seahorse fry or copepods but will help you control that hair algae problem, then I would suggest the primary component of your cleanup crew should be comprised of a variety of snails. The snail assortment may include trocha snails, Astrea, Nerites and Cerith snails, etc., and especially Nassarius snails. You'll want to have a total of 1-2 such janitors per gallon for algae control and to efficiently cleanup after your seahorses.

Nassarius snails are terrific detritivores and amazingly active for snails. They'll bury themselves until they detect the scent of something edible, and then erupt from the sand and charge out to clean it up. They are carnivores that clean up meaty leftovers but they won't bother your copepods at all. They are scavengers that home in on the order of dead and decaying material.

The Lettuce Nudibranch (Elysia crispata, formerly known as Tridachia crispata, and still usually sold under that name) is another showy, totally innocuous invertebrate that's a perfect choice for a dwarf seahorse companion. It is green with lavender spots and is covered with extravagant frills and ruffles that look like flower petals on an exotic orchid, but in fact they are the ruffled flaps of tissue (parapodia) that outline each side of the back of this two inch sea slug that lives in the waters of the Caribbean and Florida Keys. It's an algae eater and is one of the few nudibranchs that do well in the aquarium. However, it feeds on macroalgae such as Caulerpa sertularioides so it won't help you with your hair algae problem at all. Unless you're 29-gallon tank is very heavily planted with Caulerpa, I would only keep one Lettuce Nudibranch (you don't want to waste away and starve once it's consumed all of the macroalgae that it feeds on).

The Blue linkia is one starfish that is safe to keep with seahorses. However, it is delicate and somewhat difficult to keep. It does best in a stable, well-established aquarium with pristine water quality and must be very carefully acclimated to a new tank (drip application over many hours works best). It would not do well in an aquarium that's battling a hair algae problem, indicating heavy nutrient loading and marginal water quality.

When it comes to newborn seahorse fry, peppermint shrimp (Lysmata wurdemanni) and decorative cleaner shrimp in general should be avoided. Given the chance, all cleaner shrimp will opportunistically predate newborn seahorses.

If you're having a tough time with hair algae, Shorty, you'll need to watch the nitrate and phosphate levels in your aquarium closely and try to cut down on the nutrient loading in your tank as much as possible. Don't broadcast feed, scattering Mysis throughout the tank. Instead, target feed your seahorses or use a feeding station. Don't overfeed, cleanup leftovers promptly, and observe fast days religiously.

How are the nitrate levels in your aquarium right now? If they're running high, I'd be happy to offer you some suggestions for reducing them in keeping them down.

Best of luck with your seahorse setup, Shorty!

Happy Trails!
Pete Giwojna
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Re:CLEAN UP CREW! - 2005/10/28 17:39 Thanks Pete and Lesle
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Re:CLEAN UP CREW! - 2005/10/28 17:44 I do think that my nitrates are a little bit too high, however I am hesitant to do a lot of water changes because I do not have an RO unite, and I dont think i will be getting one in the near or distant future, and Ive heard that tap water just fules algea growth....Do you know if it would be safer to use say bottled water, or distilled water like you get at the grocery? My LFS does not have an RO unite, so cant sell me RO water is there any where I can get it? there is a water machine outside of the Longs just a few blocks away do you know if they give you RO water? should I just use tap water? thanks
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